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The sponsor of the latest podcast is our company. Magnetic couples bracelets that allow us to record this madness called What is Life podcast by Martina and Tomash.

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Thank you, Magnetic Couples Bracelet.

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Yeah, and also it reminds us to stay connected no matter what we judge about each other during the podcast itself.

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I think I have a sand on my magnet.

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When one of us is speaking in labyrinth style and the other one is speaking in organized, neat hotel rooms on a straight corridor. I want to start with the story.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

Which story?

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Of today morning that we woke up at 5 20.

SPEAKER_01 1:25

Do you start with that story? We will never get to the actual thing. But okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:32

Today we woke up at 5 20 because we wanted to record this podcast on the beach during the sunrise. Didn't happen. It's 12.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

No, it's not. 11-ish.

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11.05. And we just started recording now. It was just not possible because the moment we got home and it was time to record, I found an email from this company, and they sent like an email that my podcast our my podcast is doing really well, blah blah blah. And that is like a ninth most popular podcast in Czech Republic. Like we're in Vietnam, we're Slovak, we speak in English. I don't know why it's Czech Republic, but whatever. Even if it was Cam, I was like, look, baby! And he's like, well, ninth? Out of how many? I'm like, I'm like, out of nine, okay?

SPEAKER_01 2:28

That's how it felt, to be honest. No, actually, it felt like out of ten, to be honest. I'm just surprised that they listened to it. But I believe they listened to it, I'm just surprised.

SPEAKER_03 2:39

Yeah. And also I checked with ChatGPT, and there's around 175 podcasts in Czech Republic in the personal um.

SPEAKER_01 2:52

So now you said that when you have already five episodes or four, then you are in top 10%. So out of those 175 podcasts, just 17 or 18 has more than four episodes. So then it makes sense. But you know what's funny? I checked the stats and it says that only two people from Czech Republic listen to our podcast. So how it doesn't make sense. So if one listened, you are on number 50. If two listened, you are already nine. And this is the if we have one more listener from Czech Republic, then we're gonna be maybe in top three.

SPEAKER_03 3:27

Hi Peppo. No, I just wanted to say, like, see, this is the thing. Like, things don't matter. It doesn't matter what makes you what creates the fight, the resistance, the trigger. It doesn't matter. I told you, right? At the end of the fight. It doesn't matter what cost it. Because it's always about what's underneath. You know, these are like whether it's an email about your podcast, whether it's how the your boyfriend left the dirty socks next to your head on a pillow, whether it's your dog, you know, whether he doesn't want to pick up the poop after your dog, like it doesn't matter what it is. It will, it's just like for entertainment, but it will always hit the spot where it's supposed to.

SPEAKER_02 4:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:11

Yeah. So today it was podcast, tomorrow it can be fucking, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 4:17

And I think in the end of the day, it's again about the acceptance that we had the podcast the last time. I mean, not last time, but whatever number in the sixth episode. So yeah, so it's again about that because if you think about it like if you just accepted that I just see the podcast or email or whatever, however, I see that, you would be okay. And then if I accepted that you see me as negative usan rights. Yes, exactly but can you translate it to English so people actually understand?

SPEAKER_03 4:46

Negative Nancy.

SPEAKER_01 4:48

Okay, I don't understand that, but people do.

SPEAKER_03 4:51

It's an inside term, it's like an inside term.

SPEAKER_01 4:53

So so yeah, so if I accepted that that you see me like that, then again, like everybody would be okay, right?

SPEAKER_03 4:59

Yes. Yes. I would be like, oh the hell, he's negative, and I'm gonna prove no, I'm not gonna prove anything, but like whatever he says, I know what I'm doing, and I know that I love it, and I know that it's my dream come true.

SPEAKER_01 5:09

And you would be like, I would even go one step closer and be like, it's okay, he's like that. I still love him. You know? Yeah, can we continue about our story that we started like a 15 episodes ago? And and then, yeah, so so. The money was good, so we were like, I was like, so the next thing was like, yeah, to fulfill our dream, which was to go to live to the place where it's warm, right?

SPEAKER_03 5:39

For you it was after seven years.

SPEAKER_01 5:41

For me, it was yeah, I guess. I mean, I it was probably even more like seven years. I was I would say intentionally working on it, but I wanted to do that even before.

SPEAKER_03 5:52

For you, for me, I lived in the hottest place on earth, which is Dubai, for six years already, and then I came home. But for me, since oh yeah, for me, it was basically the love for Asia, which which started in 2015, but mostly in 2018. My birthday I spent in Thailand, and it was very magical because I did like a mushroom um mushroom shake, and um again I know that you have a problem with me inserting straw.

SPEAKER_00 6:26

I'm telling you, then it has an hour and a half. But but insert, insert, I don't care, Camel. I don't care, I don't care.

SPEAKER_03 6:35

I'm inserting a D-Rail. So I had a mushroom drink, you know, the magic mushrooms for the first time. And it alters your perception of life and nature. And when I like did that trip, I it was I felt such a connection to the to everything, to the palm trees, to the land itself, to the sky, to the ocean. And it it really left to the people. I was staring at this band practicing on the street behind the glass, and I'm like, yeah, and they're like, hi, and I was like, good job. And I was like, they know I'm high, and they're like, We know you're high. And I'm like, happy birthday to me. And then I spoke to this girl from Bangkok, she just moved there. Anyways, so it really left a deep love for that place in me. And when you combine that, as you well, strong trip very strong trip. Strong trip. When you combine it with my love for nature, you know, and me living in Dubai, which is opposite of nature, it's a man-made sand pit where they play bird sounds from the speakers, right? And I was appreciating the three days out of the year with blue sky, so I was really missing this natural life and this just nature. It was just always I didn't understand why, but I just always loved it. And when you combine these two points, for me, it was like, yeah. And the third point was that I knew I would move to Asia. Like I saw it in my vision, as I mentioned in the previous episodes. I knew I would have my partner, I knew we would have, you know, our business and we would just live freely. So it was just this natural step that is like almost this idea vision was kind of taking place, taking form step by step, not knowing, not pushing it. I was not pushing it, I was not making it happen, but it formed itself. So that's why for me it was a very natural step to go to Bali. That's what we anyway spoke about in Croatia.

SPEAKER_01 8:34

It wasn't natural that it was Bali, right? It was natural that we want to go somewhere to warm country where we can be near the ocean, but then like we had to figure it out that we want to go to Bali. And for me, like I heard about Bali, but I always wanted to go to like Central South America. So for me, that was also in play. But then, since it was in the middle of corona and we had no idea like what's gonna happen in the world and and how it is actually in that country, not what whatever AI tells you, yeah. And we had a friend in Bali, so that's why I mean I had a friend in Bali. Yeah, he told us like what's the situation and everything, and that's why like for me it felt like a safe place to go because I understood like what to expect there from like this, you know, pandemic, whatever situation kind of, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:27

Yeah, but we also so we were between Costa Rica actually and Bali, if you remember. You actually don't remember, but we even sent email to the Costa Rica um like a tourist board or something, and we asked, they never replied. So for us, it was just like clear go. And uh, I think I want to mention also there's many ways how you can go about decisions, but one that I like is that it's the path of least resistance, which means that um let's say if we wanted to go to Costa Rica, it would be so hard, and we would have to figure out, and it just looked like there's a lot of road bumps, and then for the Bali, it was kind of like easy, right? And there is like a speculation, what like yeah, resistance is a green light, or the path of least resistance. You have to kind of like feel into it, but for me, so far, really what's easy and what's kind of full body fuck yes, or like what's just like the path of least resistance, what is more natural, that's usually has proven that it's the right path. So for us, that was badly because we had someone there, it was easy. You're and kind of was pointing us there.

SPEAKER_01 10:36

Yeah, but still, like I think I mentioned it that it wasn't really easy for me because I felt that the business is really new and that it didn't really felt safe financially for me, you know. Yeah, especially because it was pandemic and I didn't know whether we can leave and like if we're gonna be stuck there, like what's gonna happen. So it was like a little bit challenging for me to leave, and it was really fast. It happened really fast because we started working on a business September, then we worked October, and then November we already made some money, and December we already are like, okay, we're going. Because first three months, let's say we were working on it almost every day. We were sitting on a computer as much as we could, yeah. Okay, so it was basically whole days. We just went out for food and or not even for food with the dog, actually, not for food with the dog, and then we were like meeting our parents and stuff. Since it was corona, there was nothing to do. So we were on a computer most of our days, and and so it went really fast, right? Yeah, because we were handsome. And it's just like boom, and suddenly like we go.

SPEAKER_03 11:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:37

And then what happened when we got the ticket and everything?

SPEAKER_03 11:41

So we can I I wanna say something. I wanna say about my Dubai thing. I wanna so hard. Okay, well, this is the drill.

SPEAKER_01 11:53

Well, this is so hard, I don't understand.

SPEAKER_03 11:54

But I can hear your thoughts how this is stupid and it has nothing to do with anything. So I hear my thoughts. Well I also wanna mention the something magical that happened. It was really weird, but really powerful, and you're gonna know why. So I was still working for my company in Dubai, uh, EngageMe agency, event agency, um, and I was a supervisor, and I my client was McDonald's, Mercedes. And slowly, slowly, things were opening up in Dubai uh in December. Start, I think around 20th December, but huge events started for me. In every Emirate, I had like five or six girls in the showrooms, and it's called a service week where they just like you know, um, they take details of the car owners and blah blah blah. It was a huge deal. And I decided that I'm gonna go there for last for like one week or two, and then I come back and we go to Bali. And I started to uh buy flight, but flight ticket on Emirates, but you needed at that point uh like a confirmation from for Corona that something, something. And I wasn't able to get the document based on my visa number. So I I messaged the um like the Ministry of not interior, but like Ministry of the Visa stuff in Dubai, like it's not possible for me to do it. And they they replied that there are two cases against me opened in Dubai. I hope some lawyers listening to this and they will solve it for me. That's what would happen. That's what would happen in Netflix movie. But honestly, like they said I have two cases, and if I go back to the um airport, I will go straight to the airport jail, and I would have to stay in the jail until it solves. And I'm like, what, dude? So, like, imagine there would be no corona. It was about like some again, some visa. I had a company with somebody who did this, and they hired someone illegally, because you cannot just hire someone under your company if they're not actually doing the work. He did it behind my back because I had gave him like the general power over tourney, and so yeah, it was just a mess, and I just felt so protected at that point. I felt like thank you, Corona. Not only, thanks to you, I met this guy, not only we had all the time in the world to build our dreams from nothing, basically, but also I was protected that I didn't end up in a jail, and it was just so powerful for me moment because not, yeah, I'm innocent and I still cannot go to Dubai, unfortunately, because I don't know. I even hired um lawyer, but he was not able to figure it out. I don't know, I lost so much money at that point, but it's okay. So I was so protected that you know, all this could have been over, imagine, but actually, thank god nothing happened, and I didn't go. I didn't go, I still kept working for the company for like a year, so for me, I felt really safe circling back to your room, entering your hotel room. After this happened, we bought a flight ticket for January 7th, I believe. And we were like, okay, we still have time, we got like three weeks, you know, to get there. So I started to like plan things, and we went for Christmas to our parents, and then the day with the big D arrived, it was around like 28th December, when your friend with the friend of the friend Jamie messaged you randomly on Facebook, not randomly, intentionally, intentionally on Facebook, and he's like, guys, Bali is closing up, they will close it on the midnight of the New Year's Eve. You have to get here as soon as possible. And we're like, Woo! You know the movie in Home Alone, where it's like everybody's like, Oh, we fell asleep! No, we overslept. Everybody's running around. That's what happened to us in one bedroom apartment. And we had to, in 24 hours, pack the whole apartment, move out, get everything set up in Bali, get flight tickets, and then pack everything, give it to our friends, move out, and then go there and get all the tests. Ooh! It was really like a test of our teamwork together under stress, and I'm really proud of us because we did it. And that was just the beginning. That was just the beginning of all the fucking. Did you get back?

SPEAKER_01 16:40

Yeah, I don't think it was that dramatic. Yeah, we had to do all of this, but we did it with ease. Just we we packed, we moved out, we took things to our moms, and and we went. Like it wasn't like uh in some domain where they were actually running.

SPEAKER_03 16:58

Home alone, you know.

SPEAKER_01 16:58

Home alone, sorry. And when they were actually running and just like they were late already when they woke up. No, we had a day, and it was a little bit unexpected. I mean, it was really unexpected, but um, I think it was with this. I think we made it really nice.

SPEAKER_03 17:14

And thank god these kind of two people who who have this kind of different experience of the very same moment and you know, situation married each other. Yeah, so this is what happened, and it was just the beginning. So we packed and we went, and our friend Matush he drew us to Vienna Airport, and that's when another, another absolutely incredible test from the universe happened, and this was a huge one. For me, it was dramatic, and you froze.

SPEAKER_01 17:44

So if you say it was okay, we just no, that was not okay, but I I froze because I was it wasn't drama, it wasn't drama. It was hard, yeah. It was hard for me because I in the past I used to like really have a lot, I would say, anger or like not solve things against the systems on how they work, how they don't work.

SPEAKER_03 18:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:08

So maybe you can say what happened there and then I can say what I meant.

SPEAKER_03 18:12

This was huge because it tested many of our beliefs and emotional resilience at that moment as well, just like this whole podcast is doing and every day for the last six years in this relationship. So basically, we went there and they told us at the check-in.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

They said that you cannot transfer in Singapore airport, that it's closed for transfers.

SPEAKER_03 18:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 18:34

So you can go to Singapore, but you cannot transfer to another flight.

SPEAKER_03 18:37

So Singapore airport closed. So they gave us two options. Either.

SPEAKER_01 18:44

They actually gave us one option.

SPEAKER_03 18:46

Well, the other one was not to go.

SPEAKER_01 18:48

Yeah, but they never said that.

SPEAKER_03 18:49

So they told us the only way we can get to Bali, and we had five minutes for deciding that if we want to go this way, is to pay another 3,200 euro on top of the 1,200 or 1,300 uh flights, euro flo uh flights, which we already had to rebook, remember? Because they closed the bali, so we had to rebook it from January 7th to January 30th or 31st. And they told us you have to pay another 30, 3200 euro.

SPEAKER_01 19:26

What do you are you even I'm there?

SPEAKER_03 19:29

Dude, I'm there, yeah. So you have to pay extra to get another flight through, I don't know, Qatar so that you can get there, and you have five minutes to decide. Go.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

You're making it so dramatic.

SPEAKER_03 19:44

But I'm a storyteller, that's why I have podcasts dude. Okay, so this is what happened now. Picture this airport, people trying to escape Europe, you know. Everybody's like, oh my god, traveling is so hard right now, but we're gonna make it, and then us two. Yeah, we have five minutes.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

Everybody was actually with the mask, yeah, standing like this, yeah, and when somebody went around, they'd be like moving a little bit further away. And the time is sticking emotionless, the entire the entire airport, except of these two guys.

SPEAKER_03 20:18

So the time is sticking, right? We have five minutes, they're gonna close the boarding, and now I'm like, okay, baby, what we're gonna do. We sit down on the outside of this uh queue. This guy, you can say no.

SPEAKER_01 20:32

Yeah, so this is what I'm saying about the systems. Like, I really it was really hard for me, not only in this scenario, but also even in the past, that when you got to the position where unless you have millions of dollars, you can just go fuck yourself, right? Like literally. Literally, if we wouldn't have those money at that point, like we would they would just go home. Yeah, we were lucky. That that's amazing. Um, but but this is this is what I had a hard time with dealing, you know, accepting that this is how the system works.

SPEAKER_03 21:06

This is how that's where your resistance comes from, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:08

Yes, it was a huge one. Like, yeah, they said that I was like, no, fuck that shit. Like, you guys do this kind of thing, like you sold us a flight in somewhere, like now, figure it out, like give us other flight. Why would I pay five times more? Not five times, no, uh ten times what the original flight ticket cost us. Like, we have had to already rebook one, which we paid double than the original flight cost, and they they won another four times or whatever it was. Yeah, it's crazy. Actually, like first flight ticket we had to bali was five five hundred dollars, and then we had to pay over five thousand in the end of the day or together combined. For me, it was really hard that I was like, no, like fuck this shit. Like, I'm not paying for this. Like, this is like your problem, like you canceled that, like it's like why should I be the one who's paying for that? And and yeah, and I and I froze if I had more time to decide of of. Obviously, I would knew that okay, I can only pay. There's not not any other reason, any other option. Sorry. But like since it was just five minutes, I was just sitting there and I was just processing what just happened, you know.

SPEAKER_03 22:12

And that's when Martina comes in. Yeah. And Martina's like, oh yeah, fuck it, let's do it. Right? That's my also, that's why I created also a community called Fuck It Club. But I'll talk about it later. Anyways, these kind of moments were the ones where usually my I don't know, aliveness and decision making and problem solving and like aliveness came online and I started to take decisions. This has been like a pattern in the last six years. And this moment it happened that I was like, baby, listen, we made great money. What else are we making money for? What else are we doing? What else are we doing this then to buy off the freedom that we so badly want to create together as a team, right? And I was like, let's just fucking do it. What else do you want to save it for? We either do this or we stay here until I don't know when. Eventually, Bali opened, right? After like some months. But who knew you don't know what the future brings? Yeah, you don't know.

SPEAKER_01 23:15

Could take a year.

SPEAKER_03 23:17

It was either a risk and paying money and whatever, seeing what happens and taking the leap of faith, or staying in the known, staying in the you know, Slovakia, and not acting on our dream, no matter what it takes. And I was like, baby, this is it. And so I went to the counter. I'm like, okay, we're gonna do it. I was like, you sit there, I'm gonna take care of it. And I went and I did it.

SPEAKER_01 23:45

And but then actually, the the person in the counter, like, he was really sweating, and he was really because he said that we have five minutes and we came like 455. Yeah, I think we're like, okay, we are doing it, and then they started really sweating because they needed to make it happen for us, and uh yeah, we surprised everybody at that point. We were chilled, we're like, okay, whatever.

SPEAKER_03 24:06

Yeah, already the decision.

SPEAKER_01 24:08

But I remember the guy was literally sweating because really, really, really needed to make it fast happen because something was closing somewhere, somehow. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 24:18

And I just want to mention this has been the pattern of my life. Under pressure, I would perform really well, but if everything was relaxed, that's when I would start to be like, oh my god, what's happening? I always felt safe in this extreme situation, safer than in just normal, calm, peaceful thing. And this is what has been also part of our six-year story that when things would calm down, settle down, I would be like, What's wrong? But in these kind of extreme situations, when I have to really like gather all the adrenaline, cortisol, and just like focus, that's when I would thrive, you know, like when you organize events or when you just go somewhere alone, you have to be really focused, really aware. That's when I where I would thrive. Yeah, so this is what happened, and we said yes, and we paid, and we came to Bali and we made it. We fucking made it. So imagine what prepared us. Like it was such a journey until this point. We were ready, and this is also another thing. You always have everything you need, you always have everything you need, and it's up to you to like see it and understand that what else are we making money for then? Just feeling like being able to make decisions that support the direction we want to go. I don't know, it was just like I really enjoyed it. I love to talk about this story because it was nice. We made it.

SPEAKER_01 25:40

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:41

Actually, we came to Jakarta and we had to stay five days in a quarantine. That was another test for this relationship, but actually it wasn't because we were already together 24-7. We spent New Year's Eve in a fucking hotel in Jakarta. We, however, got amazing room on the top of the you know, hotel, and we saw and overlooked the whole city, and we saw all the fireworks happening at the midnight of this was 2020, right? Going to 2021. And we were getting um one hour before that. We were the last flight landing, you know, there that was actually allowed to go uh to Indonesia, Jakarta, and also we were drinking rum at this huge ballroom hall, and they were testing us, you know, and all of this for the corona stuff. So it was really messy, and it was really like just like the whole thing that we are talking to you about, the whole story is just full of these kind of moments, and I don't know if it's just me that sees it so I just see it like life, and I see like my life is just so amazing, and it has so many situations that maybe someone would be like, Well, yeah, we have to fucking be in a quarantine. But I think my point of view on it, like it's like a movie, like life is a fucking movie, and you can I think you can only see it after it happens, looking back once you really accept it, make peace with it, and then you can talk about it because you connect the dots and you make it mean something that works for you, because that's how it I think is the supportive way, how you can support yourself, see things, look at them. Okay, what did I learn? What was it good for? And for me, this was great because it tested us in the very beginning. Well, six months into the relationship, it tested us and our resilience, our teamwork, you know, and I think we did pretty well. All of these tests, like it was so bumpy to get to Bali, but once we got there, everything went to shit again. And we will talk about that in another episode. Are you how are you?

SPEAKER_01 27:52

I'm listening to you.

SPEAKER_03 27:55

I'm giving you space now.

SPEAKER_01 27:56

Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 27:57

How was it for you? The arrival to Jakarta?

SPEAKER_01 28:00

It was a cultural shock, that's for sure. Because the hotel was extremely dirty for the price that we paid. But I remember that it was super humid and it was amazing when we went outside from the airport. It was like, wow, suddenly you could feel that we are in tropic country and all the greenery and everything. That was amazing for me. And then also the food in the hotel was just horrible. So the whole experience in Jakarta was I mean, it was okay, but like I didn't care that it's happening because I was happy that we are there, and I was happy that we're gonna be in Bali in a couple days, and then we bought a ticket, and then we got to Bali, and then it was amazing there.

SPEAKER_03 28:40

So now we covered another month, and we met your room and my labyrinth derailing, just like magnets! So his absolutely different experience of life is meeting my absolutely different experience of life, and they meet in the middle, and they create absolutely powerful team, unshakable bond and connection and love, foundation for everything that we have built and keep building together, while reminding us that you know we were meant to meet and we are together, and the magnetic connection between us is stronger than any stories, resistance, judgment, dramatic storytelling, and all the other things. This will be an ad. All the other things that can really make you feel like, oh no, actually, oh sorry, we don't belong together. But actually, we do.

unknown 29:32

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:34

What are you living with? Your favorite question.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

What are you living with? They always ask this, by the way.

SPEAKER_03 29:41

I'm living with loving this process, loving to make podcasts, and it's really challenging, and that's what pushes me to the edge outside of my comfort zone, and that's where growth happens. Which life is about growth for me. I love to be pushed to my edges, and when I actually rest after and I balance it out, that would make that's what makes life worth living, and that's what makes what is life worth recording for you.

SPEAKER_01 30:12

Honestly, I feel like that maybe next one I will not record with you.

SPEAKER_03 30:16

Okay. And that was dear listeners. Why?

SPEAKER_01 30:25

Um because I feel like I can't find my space in it.

SPEAKER_03 30:30

We'll fight for it.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

I don't want to do that. I don't want to fight for my space in something where I feel like I don't have space.

SPEAKER_03 30:40

Nobody can take your take your space away. Yeah. You are but this is your thing.

SPEAKER_01 30:47

It goes as you want. We speak about what you want, we go where you wanna go.

SPEAKER_03 30:52

So should I so okay again the same fucking shit. So I I have to put here with the big letters, you don't have to ask him how it went for him.

SPEAKER_01 31:01

You don't have to do anything, baby. You don't have to do that.

SPEAKER_03 31:03

I know, but I want to. Okay? And it's not because I can't do this alone, like in the past. It's because I enjoy it with you.

SPEAKER_01 31:12

But why do you enjoy with me? I feel like that when I say something, you don't really like that. Because you judge just by me.

SPEAKER_03 31:19

You judge me.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

Yeah. Whatever I do. The point is that if I say something, you don't really like it, and then I feel like I'm restricting you.

SPEAKER_03 31:28

Yes. And also, can I ask you a question? Do you feel like I am not liking based on your what you said right now? You said I that I you feel like I don't like what you share. Do you feel like I don't like every single thing you say, or only when I feel judged? And when you are laughing at me and my way of speaking?

SPEAKER_01 31:51

Not everything.

SPEAKER_03 31:51

Okay, that's a good information for us because I love what you talk about. I love when you say your perspective. What I forget because I'm a talker and I'm very big energy in the room, and I'm very like go, go, go, is that yes, there are two ways I can do it. I can either record alone next time, or because I love you and because I want this to be what it is, is that I go through my lesson and I'm learning. And I ask you for the 10th time in the last month, don't give up on me. Just like with our 30. Our 35 kilo dog, when I couldn't pick her up the first time, he was like, That's it, we're not gonna do this. I was like, dude, don't give up. I have to learn how to deadlift my heavy dog. And then now, 10 times, I've done it 20 times, it's so easy. And I told him, Thank you for not giving up. Never give up on your partner, they're getting it right, they're learning. And if they are willing to learn something, maybe they're not good at it, give them that space, give them that opportunity. And I ask you, can you give me the opportunity to next time remind myself to ask you after every share and every part, every space that I take to offer you the space? Are you willing to actually learn this to do it together or not? Because if not, okay, I respect that. But if yes, then I invite you to do it.

SPEAKER_01 33:16

So, in your mind, me not recording the next one means not recording with you ever.

SPEAKER_03 33:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:22

But that's not what I said.

SPEAKER_03 33:23

Okay. It's really hard for me to hear this because it's always like if I I feel like if I don't do things the way you like, you take it away from me from some time and I see it as punishment. And it's really powerful for me.

SPEAKER_01 33:36

It's like it's really hard. This is about me feeling that I don't belong.

SPEAKER_03 33:46

And that's your responsibility, it's your story, and it's your feeling that it's not true.

SPEAKER_01 33:52

And it's okay, I'm 100% okay with that. You know what I enjoy? I enjoy when we talk. But I feel like that we don't talk. I feel like that you speak, and then I say something here and there, but like I feel like that this is your monologue, the whole thing is you speaking. And I don't enjoy this. Is how I perceive it. It doesn't have to be true for you, and I'm not trying to persuade you and change your mind andor opinion on what is truth or not. But I'm telling you how I feel, and you can listen to it and you can see yourself.

SPEAKER_03 34:25

I'm fine with how it is, and I don't judge it as wrong or bad.

SPEAKER_01 34:29

And I'm not, I'm also not judging it as wrong as bad. I'm just saying that I feel like I don't have space here, and I feel like that you like it like this. I feel like that you like to like jump into this and that and this and yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03 34:42

What do you need?

SPEAKER_01 34:43

I want to have a conversation. We had conversation for the first five minutes or seven. We had a conversation.

SPEAKER_03 34:48

How am I supposed to do podcast if I can't say my part of the fucking experience? Isn't that what we are here for? To I share my point of view, and then you are like, okay, are you done? Now I'm gonna go. Why can't you do that? Why why what is so hard? It is implied, it is part of this. I don't have to um invite you, please tell us, dude. You are here to be you.

SPEAKER_01 35:14

You keep saying why and what and and all of these questions, and it's very simple answer. You can you can do everything what you do, you don't need to change anything. But same as I am allowing you to jump, to be dramatic, to be here, to be that, to to speak this, to do that, to do everything that you do, and I'm not trying to change that. At least I'm trying, not trying to change that, then please allow me to say and feel that I don't belong, that it's I feel like that it's your monologue, and I feel like I don't have a space in here. Can you allow me to be there? Can you let me?

SPEAKER_03 35:56

Then I feel like a bad person.

SPEAKER_01 35:57

Well, then I'm sorry about that, but that's not what I am communicating to you. I'm not saying you are a bad person. And if you feel that, then feel that, but it's like I it's not me telling you you are a bad person, and that's why I'm leaving you.

SPEAKER_03 36:12

Why can't we both figure out this? And we can, and we can while we do it, and we can. But you said you will not be.

SPEAKER_01 36:19

But Laska, you don't you wanna like every time I tell you something, you're like, no, this is my podcast, I can say whatever I want. Then how do you want to figure out things when you are like a dictator? And again, for me, it's okay. I don't mind that. It's perfect. You wanna have it like this, have it like this. I support you, I love you. But please, if I say that I don't want to be in the next episode, just allow me and respect that. There is it is a reason why I don't want to do that. Maybe you will record your episode yourself, you'll be so excited and so happy about it, you will never want to do it with me again because you will actually see that I don't have space there, which I feel like I don't. And it's okay that it's like that. But I'm just saying this is how I feel, like it just doesn't work for me.

SPEAKER_03 37:02

Okay, don't be in the next episode. This is who I am, and I'm learning.

SPEAKER_01 37:06

And if you're not willing to learn with me, you are clearly enjoying it the way it is, and I don't want to be destroying that for you.

SPEAKER_03 37:15

But isn't it true that in the past episodes it was the same way, and you were like, it's challenging, but I'm rolling with it, and it makes me uncomfortable, but I still want to record next one and next one, and I still for some weird fucking twisted reason enjoy it.

SPEAKER_01 37:29

Yeah, and every day and every moment and every second, and this is a proof of it, we are a new person, we are a new people, every experience gives us something new. Same as you were regretting being vegan, and then you don't regret it anymore. And in the between of these two things, something happened and bim and it switched. Same for me.

SPEAKER_03 37:48

Okay, well now you activated my fear of being rejected, and you just in my eyes rejected this whole thing. So thank you so much for watching. And I feel like shit.

SPEAKER_01 38:01

Okay. But I love you very much.

SPEAKER_03 38:05

I don't like this. No, you can't do this.

SPEAKER_01 38:09

What?

SPEAKER_03 38:09

You can't say do all of this and then say I love you.

SPEAKER_01 38:12

I literally read an email today that you wrote that when is the worst, what helped us is hack, and now suddenly I can do this. You know what I can do?

SPEAKER_03 38:22

I can bend you over my knee and just everybody can do this, do this even they were resisting.

SPEAKER_01 38:37

It's because I there is full of sand.

SPEAKER_03 38:42

It's really hard, and especially I don't want to excuse, but I'm gonna put excuse like before my period, like it's really intense, you know. These things intensify normally, those magical five days of a month. I can be like, but then this time comes and it really tests my thing. Are you saying you enjoyed this conversation more?

SPEAKER_01 39:08

Yes, because we are having conversation, which I'm part of. Otherwise, I just sit here and I'm like a fucking idiot who's waiting and just trying to like understand and trying to like so.

SPEAKER_03 39:21

Then how you are a business coach?

SPEAKER_01 39:23

How do you think I am not a business coach? Can you remove that from your memory, like Chat GPT, and not to put it back anymore?

SPEAKER_03 39:31

Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, okay. You're a projector and you see from mess, you can simplify it, you can analyze it, and you can make it simpler than it is. So, what would you recommend? Peter and Jessica, if they are trying to have podcasts together, but if they have topic, if they have topic, it feels like monologue because Jessica is like so talkative and she wants to really speak because she made that podcast. But Peter is like, well, but I enjoy when we have conversation or fight or something, but that's when the topic cannot be there. Are we going to talk about the airport if situation like this? No. We're going to talk about the present moment and what's happening between us like this. This is what we do all day. So what would you tell them? Are you gonna should they separate it, separate it? Or are what? How can this be organized into a neat pile of organized poop?

SPEAKER_01 40:29

Well, I think I would do exactly what I'm doing. I would let her to do that because she wants to do it like this, and that's it. And he doesn't feel like he's part of it, so I would let him just not be part of it.

SPEAKER_03 40:43

Okay. Well, we'll figure it out, guys. Thank you so much for listening and for watching. And I just made the fan mail uh on Apple Podcast available so you can actually let us know through that option when you finish what listening now. Go there and send us your homework for today. Send us a fan mail about if you listen to it and if this is something you actually want to listen to. Whatever. This is life. Again, I'm gonna close this. This is live, guys. This is real fucking life. No censorship, no pretending, no playing it nice, and how would you like it? Yeah, that would be a proper podcast, proper podcast, like everybody else is doing. But I would never start if I was trying and waiting for that moment, how I how they do it. So this is how it's done, and it's good enough, and I'm gonna post it and be happy about it. I love the process. Who am I to judge? Only God can judge me. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Bye.